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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.26 10:29:00 -
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As for the Maelstrom, if those bonuses stay, a 7th midslot would be very nice. Even at the cost of a low if an additional slot would be too much to ask for. But look at the Cyclone, same bonuses, one more slot than the other BCs, but seems perfectly balanced. Same could work for the Mael. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.26 10:39:00 -
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I dunno, maybe we should get sub-forum channels for all major things (Tier3 BS, Tier2 BCs, whatever else there is) and then stickies in there for the individual items. Of course I don't know how easy that is to do with this forum, but with mine own it would be a matter of 30 secs... --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.26 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 26/10/2006 12:06:26 The Problem with taking the tier2 battlecruisers as templates is that they are all small versions of the existing battleships. So going from there would lead to... nothing new.
The EW approach seems to be a much better idea. Big Arbi for Amarr, Bit Celestis for Gallente, Scorp is the big Blackbird so Caldari gets a big Moa which is fine, and Minmatar get a big Bellicose. Err, wait, no. Minmatar get... Something. A big cyclone as 8/7/5 shieldtanking AC boat with current bonuses if I was asked, but anything goes. just make it consistent. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.26 22:11:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 26/10/2006 22:12:12
Originally by: Grimpak how does this relate to drones? drones are a more flexible weapon, which is probably why Tuxford doesn't want to do such changes.
The feeling I get when reading these forums (and I do that way too much) is that the problem lies less with Tuxford but more with some hardcore Amarrs. Their stubbornness is only overcome by... But no, that would be insulting
Needless to say, what I get the feeling is happening is this:
Amarr Guy: Laser damage is teh suck! Suggestion: Well, you could get a missile ship to be able to to deal other damage types Amarr Guy: Nooooooo then I have to train missiles and adjust my way of fighting, no no no! Suggestion: Well, a drone ship would be great, like a big Arbitrator. Amarr Guy: Nooooooo then I have to train drones and adjust my way of fighting, no no no! Suggestion: Well, how about another great Laser boat then? Now go back 6 lines up.
As for Gallenteans whining about a ship getting the same drone power as the Domi, thats just like the Caldari whine about a Minmatar ship getting as many medslots as a Caldari one. Imho only jealous and possessive bickering. A big arby with a drone bonus just like the Domi would make a great tier3 battleship for amarr. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.27 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nifel Go ahead and jump into that apoc/abaddon with 8 1400 II's and a rof of 14-15 seconds or so (iirc). I'll stick with the maelstorm in that case thank you. By that logic we should see loads of 1400mm-fitted apocs already, which we don't. We see tempests instead.
That is exactly why people are arguing for a damage bonus. They don't fly projo apocs now because the alpha-advantage of 8 turrets with no damage bonus is negligible, but the additional cost associated with it is not. It will be the same with the Mael. Even worse maybe. Only people having too much money and/or not caring about money will fly a ship in a fleet that (probably) costs 50% more in ship price and 33% more in guns, for a whooping 6.66% more damage... This might not apply to you seeing how you are in BoB, but not everyone is rich or in a rich big alliance owning T2 BPOs. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.11 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 11/11/2006 11:55:58 Maybe we all should report Zixxa for ranting/trolling? This is not the first thread he derails with his crap, and probably not the last either if noone stops him.
Just to point out HOW clueless the guy is:
Originally by: Zixxa Nope. It's only 20-25% HP on shields more. Only 20-25%. It is easy to achieve adding one invluln t1 to the fit(instead of MWD for example). It is irrelevant for fleet battles, btw.
A 25% resistance increase equals a 33% HP increase, not 25%. He is just as wrong on 99% of his other issues. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.13 23:45:00 -
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The one thing that makes the Rokh outstanding in my eyes is that it enables fleet combat for people without T2 guns. Some T2-crazed people always ignore that there are vast numbers of people who can't use T2 guns, all those were pretty much excluded from fleet combat until now. Even if I don't care much for it, it is good to at least have the option now without training the long T2 large gun road. The dps won't be all that hot, but at least it is better than 0. And the Mega's damage bonus isn't all that helpful when you cannot hit your target, is it? --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.14 13:56:00 -
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Nerf the Rokh? Why? I don't think alot of people want that. The Rokh is the only Tier3 battleship that does its job properly. It is different from the other Caldari BBs, yet does its job with good, maybe even outstanding performance. No need for a nerf, it is a shining example of the ideal Tier3 battleship imho.
Most don't want the Rokh nerfed, but the other Tier3s boosted to do the same, not the current same old and maybe even worse approach we see in the Abaddon, Maelstrom and Hyperion... --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.15 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: XFreedomX BTW after going through some of the ealier posts, for those of you who are advocating Target Painting, Sensor Damping bonus (or any other support oriented bonus) for a BATTLESHIP?!??! For crying out loud......
Lets review what battleships are suppose to do... 1. Hit Hard. 2. Take lots of damage. 3. Hit Harder. 4. Take more damage.
We've already seen the Scorpion being displaced by Rook because it was never a true battleship to start off with.
We? Please speak only for yourself. I see a Rook once in a blue moon and Scorps every day... --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.15 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: XFreedomX
Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Originally by: XFreedomX BTW after going through some of the ealier posts, for those of you who are advocating Target Painting, Sensor Damping bonus (or any other support oriented bonus) for a BATTLESHIP?!??! For crying out loud......
Lets review what battleships are suppose to do... 1. Hit Hard. 2. Take lots of damage. 3. Hit Harder. 4. Take more damage.
We've already seen the Scorpion being displaced by Rook because it was never a true battleship to start off with.
We? Please speak only for yourself. I see a Rook once in a blue moon and Scorps every day...
The point of your comment escapes me. You think we should have support type bonus on Battleships? Maybe you think it is better to have shield transfer bonus instead of range bonus on the Rokh?
Geez... The Rokh is fine, as you would know if you had read my previous posts. What I am saying is that the Scorp is also fine, and used tons. And Battleships with EW bonuses (And that is NOT support, EW is an important part of direct warfare) for the other races would be just as fine imho. Definitely better than the half-assed same old things we got now. I don't think we need to argue about the power of damps, and while tracking disruptors don't work against missiles (they should though, disrupt missiles tracking = increase their exp radius) they are still good, plus the Abaddon would get a drone bonus as additional treat if I had a say. Just Minmatar would need something else I guess, a real targetpainting missileboat would probably be too powerful (I would still love it though) while a targetpainting turret-boat would be underpowered. Though that could possibly be offset by a larger dronebay since drones also benefit quite a bit from painting, but then again we got the phoon already. Maybe make the Phoon the Minmatar EW ship by giving it a 5th launcher slot, changing the turret ROF bonus into a painter one and giving it 8/5/6 slots, so we have a targetpainting half-baked missile boat with a large dronebay? And then make the Mael an AC boat. But I digressed lol... Basically Scorp = great, so other EW Battleships will likely also be great.
--------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.16 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa I hope you are right, because I am going to train rails,
Ahh Okay, I guess that explains your total lack of any kind of clue expressed in pretty much every post you made. Never ever fired a gun in EVE yet, have we? Optimal, falloff, tracking, what IS that?!?! And of course DPS is the one and only meaningful variable in combat ever...
--------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.21 14:25:00 -
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WTH are people complaining about the Rokh bonus now? Geez... The Rokh is the only really working tier3 and you want to nerf it? And if the Rokh really becomes the only viable fleet ship, so what? Fleets are boring anyway, having just one ship dominating them couldn't possibly make them any more boring. Please do NOT make the other tier3s into pure fleet ships too, make them useful in other combat types where the individual ship characteristics actually matter, and where they are useful also to people who are not fleet nerds. And what exactly is keeping an opposing fleet from warping in at 200km instead of 250 anyway? (Yeah I am a total n00b to fleet combat) --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.21 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ath Amon
Originally by: Leandro Salazar WTH are people complaining about the Rokh bonus now? Geez... The Rokh is the only really working tier3 and you want to nerf it? And if the Rokh really becomes the only viable fleet ship, so what? Fleets are boring anyway, having just one ship dominating them couldn't possibly make them any more boring. Please do NOT make the other tier3s into pure fleet ships too, make them useful in other combat types where the individual ship characteristics actually matter, and where they are useful also to people who are not fleet nerds. And what exactly is keeping an opposing fleet from warping in at 200km instead of 250 anyway? (Yeah I am a total n00b to fleet combat)
ok so as fleet combat is so boring let's totally remove long range weapons... why to force cladari players to be so bored?
Wrong target. My portrait in Caldari because I prefer imperial uniforms over sunglasses, but ship-wise I am a Matari (well Jack of all trades really, but Caldari, Amarr and Gallente are just tools while the Minnie ones are my babies) so I take being called Caldari player an insult
But still I wouldn't object to totally removing long range weapons! --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.22 17:40:00 -
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How about just mixing all the Battleships up a bit:
Caldari: Fine as is.
Gallente: Dominix becomes the new Tier3 ship (with tier3 HPs), and the Hyperion goes SD-boat and becomes tier1 (with tier1 HPs). This would both give Gallente a cheap EW BS like the scorp, and make the exceptionally powerful Dominix really expensive.
Minmatar: Typhoon gets one or two more missile slots (+25m¦ dronebay if only +1 missile), and the turret bonus is changed to a painter one (cheap tier1 EW BS). Maelstrom becomes, well, I don't know, but it needs to be powerful enough to justify the tier3 price tag.
Amarr: Geddon is reworked into a large Arbitrator (cheap tier1 EW BS), and Abaddon stays as is, maybe with a bit more cap so it can tank AND gank at least for a short time. Nothing wrong with that on a 150+ mil ship imho. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ather Ialeas
Originally by: Leandro Salazar Amarr: Geddon is reworked into a large Arbitrator (cheap tier1 EW BS), and Abaddon stays as is, maybe with a bit more cap so it can tank AND gank at least for a short time. Nothing wrong with that on a 150+ mil ship imho.
If you want drones, train Gallente bs lvl1. Doesn't really take long at all assuming you have learning skills.
Drones are not the Amarrian way. Missiles are not the Amarrian way (Khanid is different but hey, they're T2). Lasers and armortanking are the Amarrian way. It's one-dimensional but it's what the entire race is all about so stick to it or go multiracial with your skills.
I already fly all races and use all weapons, thank you. It is just that I (obviously) like diversity and consider the singleminded 'Amarr way' pretty retarded. Adding a ship that does the same thing as two others we already have goes 100% against what I think makes EVE great.
There really is not so much of a problem with EANs and lasers, there is a problem with common Amarr attitiude towards possible solutions for their problem. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 23/11/2006 11:56:13
Originally by: Aphotic Raven
Sigh. Dominix isnt overpowered [...]
Who said Domi was overpowered? I said it is very powerful which noone with a clue can honestly deny. So selfish reasons from Domi pilots put aside, what would be so bad about the price tag reflecting that?
And yeah, I would also agree with giving the tier3 drone boat the sexy Hype model, and the tier1 SD boat the buttugly Dominix model. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.23 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Mai u cant change a ship from t1 to t3... but let the hyperion as it is, at its first come out with a 5% mwd bonus and turrent bonus, a good blasterboat... and and if u want to use ewf play caldari ;)
Right, I cannot. But Tux could All it takes is switching the HP amount, required skill, model, resource reqs and ship bonuses of the current Hype and the current Domi. Then the old Domi is tier3 and the new Hype is tier1. Not that I think this has more than a snowball's chance in hell of happening though. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.24 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 24/11/2006 20:15:00 Yeah please stop arguing with that brick wall. Maybe let the mods know about the continued trolling and ranting too, it IS against the rules... --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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